15 December 2012 - 4:34am | posted by | 26 comments

Piers Morgan cites Dunblane as he lashes out at US gun control failure after Connecticut massacre

Piers Morgan was at the centre of the action on Twitter and CNN last night as he tore into America's failure to curb guns as the debate raged over the Connecticut school shooting.

At points on his own show, an incandescent Piers tore into gun advocates who insisted that the US needed MORE guns to stop the shooters - despite the fact that there have been 61 mass shootings in the US since Columbine.

Piers reminded the US that since Britain's own horror at Dunblane in 1996, when 16 children died, hand guns had been banned in the UK. The Washington Times claimed Morgan didn't understand the Second Amendment, claiming that the Founding Fathers "only envisioned a world where the musket would rein supreme for all eternity."

Morgan encouraged Americans to "get angry" and implored President Obama to "stand up to the American gun lobby." The Washington Times claimed that the Second Amendment protecting the right to bear arms had helped "create an exceptional country." "Law-abiding citizens exercising their right to determine when, how and if they defend themselves are one of the best bulwarks against tyranny a nation can have," said the paper.

Piers tweeted "Stop worrying about the gun lobby. It's time for some moral conviction and moral courage".

Steve Krakauer said he wasn't surprised that @piersmorgan was trending worldwide as the raging live debate went on.

Pat O'Brien tweeted @piersmorgan is my freaking hero right now, standing up to these gun guys!

Peter Schloss ‏@peterschloss said
"I've got new found respect for Piers Morgan as he tells pro-gun lobby people on live TV their views are complete "nonsense" & "hogwash"

Gun advocate Steve Dulan innsisted "Guns exist...they're not going anywhere..the only way to stop an evil person is to shoot them"

Dr. Frank Ochberg declared, "America has more gun deaths than any other advanced nation in the world...we have laws..we don't enforce those laws"

At 11pm US time as anguished parents had still not been able to identify their dead children because the school was a"crime scene," CNN reported that "There was a moment where they had to tell these waiting parents 'there will be no more reunions tonight'...there were wails."

Earlier President Obama, pausing at one point for 12 seconds to hold back his tears, made a deeply moving statement from the White House.

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15 Dec 2012 - 06:19
whispers76's picture

Funny how he mentions Dublane and the UK gun ban, but failes to mention UK violent crimes skyrocketed after that ban. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1196941/The-violent-country-Euro...

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15 Dec 2012 - 14:17
gayle30885's picture

@whispers76 this is incorrect. In 98 (one year after gun ban resulting from Dublane) police added "common assault" to their record keeping which, when comparing pre and post 1997 resulted in a misleading spike in "violence". Actual violent crime in the UK has declined every year since 1995.

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3 Jan 2013 - 10:11
kevinhblackburn

@whispers76 But - last year 8 shot dead in UK, 10,700 shot dead in US - you do the Math (and that should be Maths!)!!

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15 Dec 2012 - 06:28
Nemspy's picture

The uk gun laws were not expected to end or hold back any future increases in violent crime. They were intended to prevent huge massacres. Shall we compare UK mass shootings to US ones?

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15 Dec 2012 - 07:16
kjinv21253's picture

This seems to be more a mental health issue than gun control issue. There is no place in this country for a family to get help with a seriously disturbed relative who hasn't (yet) committed a crime.

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17 Dec 2012 - 11:08
louis21143's picture

@kjinv21253 mental health needs to definitely be addressed but if guns were not so easy to get without hestitation then disturbed people could not do massacres. Less innocent people would be killed. You stand a better chance against a crazy person with a knife than you do one with a gun!

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21 Dec 2012 - 15:20
soulc28364's picture

@kjinv21253 The "patient" is not only the person; we need a whole new world perspective. This means we need a global therapy. In "Restoring our World Soul", I outline four movements we can make as a global people to restore sense to how we can come together now. Notice that this new perspective is already happening...a traumatized town in Conn. offering compassion to even those who have acted against them.

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16 Dec 2012 - 02:23
rdorl10380's picture

Well Done Piers, Remove Guns is the only solutions. More Guns are a joke and it is almost unbelievable people believe this in USA--they are doomed. Richard another expat living in Canada. You are the first to mention Dunblane and the UK Gun Ban laws that followed---and WORK Keep it up OBAMA is with you

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5 Mar 2013 - 18:38
tombu46478's picture

@rdorl10380 Sure the revised UK gun controls work - that's why in 2010 a lone gunman in Cumbria was able to kill 12 people. The UK has some of the most restrictive gun laws in the world and yet they now have armed police why? because the only people in the UK who can find a way to get guns are those that don't follow the law - and they are the very people who are likely to use guns for illegal reasons! Oh - in the UK being in possession of a knife is illegal but people still get stabbed. The point being that only a law abiding person follows the law and law abiding people DO NOT GO OUT AND KILL - regardless of whether they own a gun, knife etc.

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12 Jun 2013 - 22:13
david18135's picture

@tombu46478 Hungerford and Dunblane were both executed through legally held weapons. I agree that illegal weapons is still an issue but as civilised societies we should not condone or endorse legal ownership that can result in these horrific outcomes.

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16 Dec 2012 - 03:07
Ember17927's picture

Pears Morgan needs to move to china where a dictator has control over the people , that is why the america gov wants to take the guns away from the america people when the guns are taken the dictator can take over

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18 Dec 2012 - 02:46
llbou87741's picture

@Ember17927 That is the dumbest argument yet in favor of guns, to defend oneself against ones own government. Try reading this. If you get through it and understand it, you'll be be able to post an intelligent and rational argument. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Const...

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16 Dec 2012 - 03:12
Ember17927's picture

I would a one on one talk with Piers Morgan on gun control

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16 Dec 2012 - 10:45
malcolm_tucker's picture

Unfuckingbelievable - it's like there's this army of fucking gun loving redneck yanks who are currently trawling the internet making first time posts on any forum where there is a topic attacking gun control and anyone who advocates it. I can only assume that twats like Ember and Whispers are being employed by the US gun lobby to do this. (and I wouldn't mind having a wee bet that both those usernames have the same IP address) If they're doing this on their own free time then they are even bigger fuckstains than I originally thought. I'd like to get my hands on one of those Bushmaster semi-automatic assault rifles and ram the fucking butt end so far up Embers arse that he would have to open his mouth in order to take a shit.

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17 Dec 2012 - 04:25
nicew18406's picture

@malcolm_tucker You talk tough but internally and externally you are a lame twat. Hide behind your computer screen, making unfulfilled threats to sound like you are more masculine tan the others. What a pathetic dweeb!

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16 Dec 2012 - 21:27
txpro63851's picture

Way to go Malcom and Piers, Conn. is a gun control state and this happens!!! Guns do not kill people--people do!!! I believe there were many, many more gun owners 30-50 years ago, yet there were no mass killings in those times..What we need to do is find out what has changed the mental processes of some of our citizens!!! COULD IT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE LIBERAL, POLITICAL CORRECTNESS THAT HAS PERMEATED OUR SOCIETY??? AGAIN WEAPOPNS HAVE NOT CHANGED--PEOPLE HAVE!!

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16 Dec 2012 - 22:51
minto12213's picture

Pat O'Brien, isn't he the one who got busted for dressing up in womens clothes like his buddy marv alpert? Perhaps Piers, Pat and Marv have a little tea party on saturday nights sipping tea, eating scones and dressing up in their favorite actress's garb...lol

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16 Dec 2012 - 23:43
patrickcoll92

Does anyone realize that we have something called the 2nd amendment that make the US unique. Other countries can ban guns for better or worse because the public has no right to bear arms. We do have that right here in the US that is why gun control laws keep getting thrown out by the courts. If you want gun control, try repealing the 2nd amendment if you really want to live in country where only the criminals and the government have guns.

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18 Dec 2012 - 03:10
llbou87741's picture

@patrickcoll92

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17 Dec 2012 - 01:28
lenpe22672's picture

Disclosure: I don't like guns, don't have one myself, but while living in Costa Rica, seriously considered getting one because violent crime was on the rise. I didn't want to be the only one without a gun. I did not feel that I was a risk to anyone else just because I obtained a gun. But I sure would have been a risk to anyone trying to carjack me, or break into my house in the dead of night. Without a gun, I was just waiting to become a victim; all the power was in the hands of the criminal.

To me, the issue of gun control boils down to this. If you could remove guns from everyone's hands, do it!! But if you can't (and you really cannot), why do you think that removing guns only from the hands of the innocent, leaving guns in the hands of the criminals (who will always find a way to get one) will somehow protect the innocent?

I know, reportedly most gun-related deaths occur when someone unfamiliar with guns accidentally shoots a family member or a friend. To stop this, you could either take the gun from him (listen to the criminals rejoice), or make him pass a course in gun use, before being able to buy a gun. This is the system in Costa Rica. It hasn't meant that criminals suddenly relinquished their guns, but it makes it a bit more difficult for crazies to get one.

What are the rules governing buying a gun in the USA? Do buyers have to pass a course first?

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17 Dec 2012 - 11:15
louis21143's picture

Such horseshit! The 2nd amendment is being twisted to suit the nut jobs of society! If gun laws were strict and near impossible for people to get one then disturbed people like that guy could NOT have got a gun that day and would NOT have shot all theose innocent kids. your obsession with religion and guns is your downfall USA....the few who use them to invoke terror and murder of the innocent and the many who still turn a blind eye pleading ignorance that it is a problem. Why don't you gun lobbyers do something useful with your guns and take out the drug runners, gangs and criminals. It takes a real pussy to stand behind a gun but a real hero to stand and fight without one...namely all the teachers of that school!!! xxxRIP

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20 Dec 2012 - 21:37
grayg10206's picture

@louis21143 This is the most incoherent post I've ever read. In the Sandy Hook shooting the coward shot himself when the armed cop arrived. If he would have faced armed opposition upon arrival at the school things probable would have turned out differently. The psycho that shot up the theater in Colorado bypassed two other theaters that were closer to where he lived. He picked the one that didn't allow anyone to have guns. Gun Free Zones = Helpless Victims.

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17 Dec 2012 - 23:45
hughh17249's picture

Why does America leave the most vulnerable undefended? They signpost the way to the killers. NO GUNS HERE! means no defence,could that be why they go for schools and collages.

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18 Dec 2012 - 10:47
steve82313's picture

i seem to remember that ollowing the Dunblane shootings, Piers Morgan was the only UK editor not to run the story on the cover as "no-one's interested in Scottish stories"

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26 Dec 2012 - 22:47
Jerem46539's picture

Solution from a pacifist: arm every US citizen, male and female, who is judged sane enough, and who has a minimum IQ, with a handgun for free. According to the gun lobby, these ordinary citizens would not contribute to the number of gratuitous shootings as they do not form part of the criminal (or deranged) social stratum. Then measure whether or not the number of innocent victims increases. Have I made my point?

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12 Jun 2013 - 22:04
david18135's picture

The law change after Dunblane was all about addressing the "legal ownership of handguns" and ensuring that they would not fall into the hands of "unsuitable" people. At the time the challenge from the gun lobby was that illegal gun ownership would not be addressed - agreed, but as a society we must never be in the position where something that is legally endorsed results in such terrible outcomes.

Personally I think that Piers Morgan was spot on with his outrage. Most citizens could not realistically relate to the rhetoric of the NRA. Stop talking about the 2nd amendment and focus on a realistic argument. Tell me why it is so important to own guns and what you would do with them in a legal scenario and how you can balance the risks of unsuitable ownership.

I have lost a child to murder by a legally owned hand gun and the issue for me is that this person was allowed to have this weapon and had a license ratified by authorities. I see no reason for automatic and semi automatic weapons to be required by citizens in a modern and civilsed society.

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